Posts by darth frosty

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Tomahawk Cruise Missile's ----> Moammar Gadhafi

by Sam Whiskey in

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looks like gadhafi is about to get a pounding... any minute now.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/19/obama-international-coalition-prepared-act-urgency-libya/

Just one simple question to ask Jehovah's Witnesses about the recent earthquakes.

by nicolaou in

"is jehovah causing these earthquakes?".

whether or not jesus said that earthquakes would 'increase', jehovah's witnesses assert that earthquakes are a sign of the 'time of the end'.

the recent cluster of awful earthquakes has only increased that sense of expectancy.. does this mean that jehovah is responsible for these earthquakes?

darth frosty

My wifes dumb ass aunt (who pioneers cause she has nothing else to do) was saying Jehovah just showing his word will come true?!?

Really?

I love the fact that the 'sign' is just that there will be earthquakes in one place after another. How ambiguous can you get? Thats like me saying one of the signs that I'm a Sith Lord is that there will be dirt in one place after another. That should have been a sign of the last days dirt in one place after another.

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Spiritual vs religous

by darth frosty in

i write this in light of brodans post about evolution and his religous fervor.. .

i classify myself as a spiritual atheist.

i do not believe in the big 3 mainstream gods presented by religions today.

darth frosty

Have you dabbled in Buddhism, df?

I do like the concepts of zen but haven't really delved into the whole buddhist thing. I would say I'm a split between zen like philosyphies and Sith meditations.

Lately I have been reading the essential marcus aurelious, which has been very eye opening for me.

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Philosophy

by NeckBeard in

keep this philosophy in mind the next time you hear, or you are about to repeat a rumor.

in ancient greece (469 - 399 bc), socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom.. .

one day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance, who ran up to him excitedly and said, "socrates, do you know what i just heard about one of your students?

darth frosty

Good one!

It also explains why Socrates never found out that Plato was sleeping with his wife.

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JW-media Nearly 1,000 conscientious objectors serving in South Koreas prisons

by darth frosty in

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i cant believ they have the friggin nerve to put this in writing?!?

how man brothers went to jail viet nam instead of doing alternative service at the $ocieties direction?!?.

http://www.jw-media.org/kor/20110214.htm.

darth frosty

I cant believ they have THE FRIGGIN NERVE to put this in writing?!? How man brothers went to jail Viet nam instead of doing alternative service AT THE $OCIETIES DIRECTION?!?

http://www.jw-media.org/kor/20110214.htm

For Immediate Release

February 14, 2011

Nearly 1,000 conscientious objectors serving in South Korea’s prisons

Repeated calls for alternative civilian service disregarded

SEOUL, Korea—Currently, there are 903 healthy, responsible men serving prison terms in South Korea. Each would like nothing better than to make a positive contribution to society without participating in war. Since 1950, over 15,000 of Jehovah’s Witnesses have been sentenced to a combined total of 30,604 years of prison time for their conscientious objection to military service.

This situation continues despite past recommendations from both Korea’s Constitutional Court and Korea’s National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) urging the government to adopt alternative civilian service, which would allow harmonious existence between conscientious objection and military service. The most recent consideration of this issue by the Constitutional Court on November 11, 2010, addressed whether or not criminal punishment of conscientious objectors for refusing reserve-force training and military service violates their freedom of conscience. The hearing also considered whether Korea’s continuing failure to implement an alternative arrangement for conscientious objectors is a violation of the rights of Korea’s citizens.

"Alternative service is available to baseball players, pianists, ballet dancers and even Baduk players, so the government has proved that it is capable of making this provision available," attorney Du-jin Oh noted in his opening argument to the court. He added, "We are asking for the same rights for conscientious objectors."

Kim Ji-Gwan, a conscientious objector whose story was introduced before the court, had expressed his personal reasons for refusing to participate in military training and war in his trial. He stated: "I was deeply moved by such Bible teachings as ‘people would learn war no more’ and ‘love your neighbors as yourselves.’ I also learned that ‘principled love’ can result in the love of one’s enemies. Therefore, based on these and other scriptures and as a result of my firm personal convictions, I made the decision to refuse military service."

Noting the concern of the representative from the Ministry of Defense, that an alternative to military service would weaken the national defense of the country, attorney Hana Lee, in her closing remarks, directed the court to consider the precedents that have been established in Germany, Greece, and Taiwan: She stated: "All three have successfully implemented an alternative service program that has not threatened the strength of their national defense."

In addition to this recent Constitutional Court hearing in Seoul, there are now 488 cases before the United Nations Human Rights Committee, which has ruled twice that the Republic of South Korea is in violation of its commitments under the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights. Similar rulings condemning South Korea’s treatment of conscientious objectors are expected early in 2011.

Contacts:

In Republic of Korea: Dae il Hong, tel. +82 10 3951 0835

In USA: J. R. Brown, tel. +1 718 560-5600

Last updated 15 February 2011 16:51:36 GMT

Some real food for thought:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nofog/2010/08/21/jehovahs-witnesses--alternative-service

This episode will discuss the Watchtower's teaching on alternative service. As a result, thousands of innocent young men went to prison for no reason. We will discuss the impact this teaching had on its members and how the Watchtower blamed the victims for their suffering. We will show the long history of what is termed "new light" and how the Watchtower uses this as an excuse to make changes to its teachings without being held accountable for the many lives they have destroyed throughout the years.

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Spiritual vs religous

by darth frosty in

i write this in light of brodans post about evolution and his religous fervor.. .

i classify myself as a spiritual atheist.

i do not believe in the big 3 mainstream gods presented by religions today.

darth frosty

I like this definition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
Spirituality can refer to an ultimate or immaterial reality;[1] an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of their being; or the “deepest values and meanings by which people live.”[2] Spiritual practices, including meditation, prayer and contemplation, are intended to develop an individual's inner life; such practices often lead to an experience of connectedness with a larger reality, yielding a more comprehensive self; with other individuals or the human community; with nature or the cosmos; or with the divine realm.[3] Spirituality is often experienced as a source of inspiration or orientation in life.[4] It can encompass belief in immaterial realities or experiences of the immanent or transcendent nature of the world.

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Spiritual vs religous

by darth frosty in

i write this in light of brodans post about evolution and his religous fervor.. .

i classify myself as a spiritual atheist.

i do not believe in the big 3 mainstream gods presented by religions today.

darth frosty

I write this in light of brodans post about evolution and his religous fervor.

I classify myself as a spiritual atheist. I do not believe in the big 3 mainstream gods presented by religions today. When it comes to how we got here...I really do not care. I do not believe in the creation account and I will not pretend that I know all about evolution (tho I have been able to resolve some of its concepts with-in myself.)

I write this just to show that there is a difference between being a spiritual person and a religious one. Even tho I do not believe in god, I recognize mans need to look to a higher authority. Its like a left over genetic imprint that causes us to be succeptible to religious manipulations. Charasmatic preachers use the bible (or whatever spiritual book) to guide peoples spiritual gene in various ways.

I feel spirituality is a personal matter and one that should be defined once a person has experienced life, learning and come to a point where he/she can resolve with-in themselves their spiritual nature.

Religion does not allow one to define his own spirituality. It is a list of rules presented as gods path for you take it or leave it. I love it when one can transcend religion and define his own spiritualty and path in life. I think of posters on here like aguest, snowbird, tec and psacremento who have risen above religion to define their own spirituality outside of it.

You would think that most of us, having been ex JW's, would have come to understand the perils of forcing our beliefs on others. I think that is where the line of spirituality and religion is crossed. A good example of this is the contrast of Jesus words and paul.

Jesus preached forgiveness and love he had a message that calmed the INDIVIDUAL heart and spirit. His...rules (for lack of a better term) were easy to follow and beneficial for pagan and xtian alike (think good samaritan parable.)

When paul comes on the scene he took a simple message and added to it, also opening the way for future followers and preachers to add to it. Paul took it upon himself to define aspects of christianity that should have been left to the individual. Sure he tried to cage his words with such expressions like 'not as the christ says but I tho I believe I have the christ spirit.'

Religious leaders since than have been adding on their own interpretations and beliefs. Now today we have this huge chasm between simple spirituality and religions. For too long people have let religions define their spirituality, instead of them finding it with-in themselves.

I believe that all should be allowed to freely explore their spiritual path, if they so wish, and once they find it enjoy it. I do not believe they should push their spirituality onto others. Whats good for you and your spiritual journey, may not be the path that me and my experiences need.

How say you fellow JWN'rs

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The impossible delusion of evolution

by brotherdan in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1icjkwzeee.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azmgkrkj5la.

darth frosty

But in your other post you were crying and renounced God because your wife had a seizure. Now you're renouncing evolution. Get your head together...

Its a sad, sad day when alice tells you to get your shit together LMAO!

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They Gotta Know They are Running a Cult - a Rant

by OnTheWayOut in

i go back and forth on this one.

do the governing body members or some higher-ups behind the curtain of the wizard really know they are running a scam of a dangerous mind-control cult?

or are they victims of their own cult?

darth frosty

Anyone can be whipped up into religious fervor, dubs just are more concentrated in their approach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmotTE-VlY

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Are we losing members quicker than the WT ??

by wobble in

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reading a thread from just a few months ago, made me realise that a lot of people who used to be regular contributors here no longer do so.. i know that people have always moved on, as the anger and hurt get less, as the wt mind-set totally disappears, we feel the need to come here less and less, but because of the intelligence, insight, wit and wisdom of these people, the board is somewhat impoverished each time one of these moves on.. this is a plea to all who post now, and some who still read but don't post, please do not leave us entirely, the contributions on here are literally life-saving for many.

it is easy to get dangerously suicidal when the whole wt pack of cards falls down for you.. please do not become a stranger to us !.

darth frosty

I think some just take it in cycles.

I haven't seen or noticed a new post from terry but he will take time off and than come back.

Just my .02.